325 / Savage
340 Bolt Action Rifle
325 : In
this article you will see "it appears", "possibly", "I believe",
'I have found" etc.
as there is very little documented information available for these models, some
general, but nothing in that the depth that this article contains. With the
modern "Smart Phones" or video cameras, you will see many "Documentary Videos" by
young punk Joe Smutts who
have no clue as to anything other than what they have read by other "Joes", much
of which was also corrupted.
Here, I have tried to be as factual as
possible. My background is that I was a part time gunsmith since 1959, full
time since 1974 and warranty for 8 major firearms manufacturers including Savage from about 1986 until I shut my shop
down in 1995. When I shut it down, I had 4 other full time gunsmiths , who
even though they went thru gunsmithing schools, were pretty much still
apprentices, and with the volume of work we had, I could not do it alone.
I shut it down and moved into manufacturing obsolete gun parts. I have been through the Savage factory numerous times, been
friends with the service personnel and have factory documentation on many items.
I have a well worn complete factory parts catalog. I have personally looked at and documented MANY different rifles of this series
over my gunsmithing career,
then tried to couple this information to manufacturing procedures as to when the
factory would make a slight change, therefore I may be off slightly on a thing
or two, but probably more factual than any other information I have seen out there.
Here I have included information from many
sources, some written material that may not be truly factual, so I may have either ignored
or modified that.
There also may be somewhat of a duplication of sporadic information here due to the
length of time it has taken to compile this article (11 years) and I may not have re-read
it in depth AGAIN, NUMEROUS TIMES to reconcile what I have here. For some of this, it is
about impossible to place information in a direct linage as to the different
series of guns into manufacturing timing because of overlaps. Much of the information you see
here is not available anywhere else in one location (if at all). So bear with me as I
am still working on it.
In The Beginning :
After WW-2, Savage designed a whole new simpler rifle made with many stamped
steel parts, which was soon (the next year) followed by the Remington model 721
using much of the same new manufacturing ideas learned during the wartime
production of military armament. It would be entirely possible for there
to have been a MOLE in either Savage or Remington's engineering departments as
both companies seemed to be working along the same lines at the same time.
OR it is entirely possible, for just by machinists either moving, or in search of
better wages, changed employers, which would also transfer methods of doing
things, (I know this was true within the early auto industry).
At that time, Savage being the parent
company, sold their more economical guns under their Stevens and much later under
The one unique thing about these rifles was the barrel retaining nut.
As far as I know, this method of securing a sporting rifle barrel was the first. The word is (but not confirmed) that they
machine gun barrels for this model that were left over from their sub-contractorship wartime production.
And that's apparently where the now-standard Savage barrel nut came from, since that
application was common for military type machine guns that required readily and
rapidly replaceable barrels in the field.
Some of their earlier pre-war models like the Savage model
23, 40, 45, and the 1920 all of which also used
detachable magazines, however the magazines used for this new 325 model was a totally
different utilizing a new stamped out one piece sheet steel design. It was
stamped out as in a opened box and folded/riveted together.
As mentioned above, these bolt action, removable magazine
fed, economical rifles were first marketed under the Stevens name, being
introduced in 1947 and ran under that model number (with improvements identified by
suffix letters to the model) until 1949. The model 325 was ONLY
produced in the 30-30 caliber therefore the factory saw no need to identify the magazine
with any markings on it at
that time. The models 322 series were made in 22
Hornet only, and again introduced in 1947, running parallel with the model 325.
The 22 Hornet's magazines were a carry over from being used on their model 23D
rifle which was manufactured from 1933 up until 1947 when the model 322 came
These rifles were designed to fit a nitch for an economical hunting rifle that would handle
only cartridges in the lower 42,000 to 45,000 PSI range. The
model 325 bolt/322 handle was distinctive in that it somewhat copied the European Mannlicher
butter-knife handle. The locking system comprised of the bolt handle as a
safety lug, with the bolt head utilizing one forward locking lug and a top guide
rib. This bolt head had a milled slot in the LH lower quarter to allow the
ejector to clear the extractor and eject the case at full rearward movement of
the bolt. The bolt was removed by opening the bolt, drawing it fully
rearward and pulling the trigger to lower the sear which also acted as the bolt
stop. The bolt
assembly, which had the single locking lug and bolt handle being on the same
plane allowed insertation into the slotted top receiver bridge like a Mannlicher-Schoenauer. The extractor was a stamped metal wrap
around "C" type with the RH hook a deep dimple that was broached on the rear to form
a sharp extraction surface, and the LH side a slight bearing pad to hold the rim.
The barrels were 22" long. The barreled action was held in the one-piece
hardwood stock by a screw which entered the recoil lug on the front of the
receiver, and a barrel band that was retained by a screw in the forearm.
This method was a bit unorthodox in that the barrel and receiver were held in
place, letting the rear section somewhat float, not very conducive to accuracy
as was normally used,
but these were close to medium range hunting guns and before scopes were common.
There was no rear receiver stock screw, but the rear trigger guard was held up by
a wood screw in the same approximate location.
The breech bolt was made in two pieces,
with the bolt head having a single locking lug. The
rear piece comprised the bolt handle silver soldered to the
rear body and both parts held together by a cross pin near
This type of construction was very conducive to lower
manufacturing costs while yet maintaining relatively strong
A pivoting safety lever was conveniently located
on the right side of the receiver behind the bolt handle. This safety lever
also locked the bolt in place when the safety was on safe. The removable
magazine was held in place in front of the trigger guard by a spring-loaded
contributed to keeping the cost down, is this rifle contained a number of stamped-steel
parts, including the trigger guard, trigger mechanism, safety lever, magazine,
magazine housing, barrel band and rear sight.
The stocks were one piece, made of hardwood (usually birch) and
could have been
lightly stained to appear the color of a light walnut, with a black Bakelite buttplate. They had no
checkering or provisions for mounting a sling. It was in the eyes of many
gun enthusiasts, NOT a thing of beauty. The trigger guard/floor
plate was a stamped sheet metal unit that had a section at the center of the magazine
area radiused upward into the stock to form finger
notches on both sides to facilitate grasping the magazine for removal. On
these magazines were shallow horizontal grooves to also facilitate a grasping
The stock in photo below of the gun, apparently has been stripped and
refinished, but with no stain.
|Stevens model 325
The magazine for the model 325 (being 30-30) was a single column, 3 shot, stamped out removable
unit made from a single sheet of metal folded like a box and riveted together. There was a
magazine release lever at the rear of the magazine well of the trigger guard.
You will notice in the photos below the actual "button" is riveted to the rear
bolt handle & birch wood of the original model 325
||Here a Stevens
325C with what appears to be the original stock finish and a Lyman 40 peep rear sight
There were 2 different barrel mounted rear sights. The
Model 325 appears to
have first used one that was threaded into the top of the barrel like the early
model 15, 22 single shots and was also used on the 325A. The 325B
and C appears to have used a regular stamped steel one which
utilized the dovetail.
For the model 325, the front sight ramps utilized 2 screws holding on the ramp
on the barrel and had a front sight blade used on the model 99 at that time.
Front sight ramp & blade found on the 325
Also replacement rear sights are something that can be added later in the
gun's life, and those
would normally be made by Lyman or Marbles, so these would have not been factory, so do not use
them as being any significance in dating the gun.
In the left hand photo below the sight blade is held in place
by a screw into the barrel, you will also notice a small pin at the front end of the
elevator slot, which holds the sight in position as to not be bumped
sideways. Just for jollies this sight factory part number is #325-229,
while the dovetailed sight for the B & C versions is #325B-229, however both
factory parts may be nearly impossible to find. Just for your information,
all of Savage's part numbers have a code, with the firearm model number as the first set of
numbers, a dash and the actual part. All parts have a designated number. Number 229 is for rear sights, #219
is front sights, #77 would be firing pins, #59 extractors, #53 were ejectors and #142 magazines, where each part is
identifiable using this system once you understood. If after a transition to improved
versions, the same part and number could carry through into later models, as
there was no sense in changing part numbers of the same part for different guns.
Therefore you may well find 325 parts (or even bolt action 410 shotgun) used on
340 rifles, like the trigger assembly, trigger guard screws, etc. Also
some parts (usually extractors and magazine assemblies were identified by a
suffix letter. As a sample, H represented 222 Remington. M = 223 Remington
and C= 30-30. Toward the early 1990s all parts went to a computerized 9
digit number with a prefix letter, as an example P3250059C0 for a model 340
extractor in 30-30 caliber. If the prefix was an A then that represented
an assembly, if it was an P that indicated a part, while S indicated a kit.
If you have the B or C
versions, aftermarket rear sights will fit the 3/8" dovetail. If your gun is the
earlier screwed on sight, (which are no longer available) it may be best to take
it to a gunsmith and have the screw location milled out to a standard dovetail
slot and purchase a aftermarket rear sight, or install a peep receiver sight.
OK, now may be the time for a short gunsmithing 101 on
dovetailed sights (both front and rear). The barrel dovetail will be
slightly tapered and the sight has to be driven in from the RH side, slightly
tightening as it gets all the way in. TO REMOVE IT, drive it out from the
LH side, using a 1/4" or 3/8" brass or Nylon drift, even a old
toothbrush handle works (this type a drift will not mar the base as
much as a steel drift). For front sights that use a screwed on ramp type base, a
special sight pusher tool should be used that pushes the sight by cranking a
screw in. This reduces the chance of knocking/stripping the base screws out.
|Early (models 325
& 325A) screw
retainer type rear
Late dovetailed 325B & 325C folded dovetail rear sight
The barrel is slid into a recoil lug that abutted
against the receiver front, being held in place by a barrel nut. The front action screw was threaded into the
bottom of this recoil
lug. The rear trigger guard wood screw was simply there to hold the rear of the trigger guard
only screwed into the stock. The front barrel band screw screwed into a block
that was attached to a thin sheet metal band around the barrel in the forward
part of the forearm.
The make/model and caliber designation was marked on the LH side of the receiver,
where the barrels had no markings.
If someone drills and taps the rifle for the later scope mounts, there will usually be no
model or caliber designation showing as the scope base covers the markings up. You
can also tell if it was drilled/tapped other than factory IF the holes go thru
and deface any of the factory maker/model markings on the receiver side.
This gun was
made with many metal stampings which set the guide for the design for the later to
come Savage model 110. The barrel was threaded and chambered, then
threaded into the receiver, rotating in until it properly headspaced, then being locked in
place by the barrel nut. Then the barrel markings (if any) were then rolled on, and/or the sight slot cut
and front sight holes drilled and tapped after the barrel was
tightened down. This process greatly reduced skilled labor in
manufacturing AND the
assembly. Neither of the model 325 or 322 versions had provisions for a
installing telescope sight mount. However the 325C shows up with being
drilled and tapped for a peep sight.
The model 325 utilized a rather different style ejector
#325-53, being a long
sheet metal unit running from the front of the receiver back along side of the
magazine well to the rear
of the magazine area. The later model 325A, B and C used what would later became standard, in
a smaller short spring-loaded pivoting ejector in the LH receiver at the rear of
the magazine area.
In the photo below the LH side shows the 325 single long spring 30-30 ejector.
This ejector also incorporated the front magazine guide and uses the regular
guide hole as it's retainer. The RH photo shows at the top the 30-30, (being the
longest case) center a 222 and at the bottom the 22
hornet. Some of the later models, (the D in 222) and the 223 used a total different design, being a small dia. spring loaded plunger
mounted in the LH side of the bolt face, type
similar to the Remington 721/722 of that time frame.
Stevens 325 early long ejector #325-53
Savage 340 new style pivoting different caliber ejectors
Plunger type ejector
The firing pin was unique in that the rear was threaded to
adjust the protrusion and locked into place by a “C” clip that slid over the
square rear section locking the firing pin in forward/aft movement after the
firing pin protrusion was set. This clip was captivated when the striker
unit was assembled into the bolt body.
There are many invocative ideas on this gun that Remington
later copied/improved on when they made their model 721 which then evolved into the
well known model 700.
This gun introduced in 1947 as the model 325 was revised with
models 325A, B and then the C before it was discontinued by Stevens in late 1949
and became the Savage model 340.
The models 322 A, B, C and S were 22 Hornet only and produced
from 1947 to 1949 running parallel with the model 325. This smaller
caliber rifle used the same receiver as the 30-30, they just cut a smaller hole
in the bottom and assorted magazine fittings to accommodate the smaller caliber
I have had numerous inquiries trying to pin down the exact
date of manufacture. This is not possible, but by reading this article and
applying what you read, you may be able to come up with a guestimate to within a
few years time frame. If
that is not acceptable to you, - SORRY - but that is the best I can do, as this
article is probably your only source for these
non serial numbered guns. Do not try to date your gun by the
condition of the metal or the color of the stock. Gunsmiths have for years
been earning a living rebluing of firearms, some can reproduce original finish
quite well where only an expert can tell the difference, while others fall woefully short. And the stocks can be
refinished or replaced because of being broken. Sights can be removed or replaced by non standard
It is suspected that originally the 30-30 magazines for the
model 325 were derived from the model 58 410, 2 1/2" shotgun
magazines. I have seen a few of these rifles with this shotgun magazine, where the
owner may not have known the difference. These can be identified by the
being the outer sides 1/2 a magazine, extending down and folded over on the bottom, leaving a
seam down the center of the bottom with the front and rear riveted in.
Needed if Using New Magazines in Early Model 325 & 325B :
guns, model 325 and thru the 325 B, apparently had a shallower recess in the receiver where
the top front and rear corners of the magazine go into. When
installing new later or current replacement magazines, (even though they are
made on the factory tooling). These recesses act as a upper stop for the
magazine. You may have to lightly file off the stop pads on the new magazines.
These are the tabs that are protruding both front and rear corners of the magazine
body. Not much is needed to be removed, about .020 on the
front with .010 on the rear has been found to be sufficient. Otherwise
the magazine will not go all the way up and it usually will get bound up by being
twisted front to back and get bound against the front and rear guides.
Exploded views of Savage 340B. These are not
part numbers, but reference numbers
Enter the Savage
From all information available, the mother company
Savage, dropped the 325C at the end of 1949 and picked up the design in 1950
producing it under the renamed Savage model 340 which remained in production until 1985. This Savage 340,
was basically the same gun as the late 325 variations (the
325C), but with further modernizations, and with caliber
variations. With the introduction of the 340, the bolt handle was changed to
the more common round knob type. The stock was
changed to walnut and
was modernized somewhat toward the latter production years. Pressed
checkering was used on some later models, essentially the E series.
The Dockendorff rear sight
was introduced with the 340 series and into the 340A series, then until about
the time the 340B entered the scene, the later guns used the regular 3/8" dovetailed type
rear sights again. Also I have the
front ramp sight residing on a 340 with the Dockendorff name impressed in it as
seen in the RH photo below. All ramped front sights were attached using 2
screws and were brass beaded blades as compared to the square top of the 325.
Standard barrel lengths were 22" for the 30-30
and 22 Hornet, but 24" for the 222, 223 and 225.
This gun sold for
$42.95 with the 340S (deluxe) for $53.65 in 1951. In 1954 the price
$48.75 for the standard, with the 340S (deluxe) for $60.45. In 1957 the price went up to $57.50.
The 1961 price
Dockendorff front sight
In all of the factory advertisement nothing was mentioned as to model suffix
letters (unless it was for the "S" Deluxe or the 225 Varmiter). To them, a
340A, B, C, D, or E were all a model 340. That could be partly why when
we are trying to re-create the history many years later are running into problems.
Also I have found some carryover between series, and this would be common when
using up current parts inventory.
The 340 was made in 30-30 and 222 Remington, using the same receiver and most
other common parts from the 30-30. The 222 magazine was a scaled down
version of the 30-30.
There appear to not be any readily accessible records for
these models, and prior to 1968 serial numbers were not used nor required. One partial way of telling vintage of these firearms would
be the factory drilled and tapped mounting holes for a peep sight or a scope.
If it had just the peep holes, then it would have been early in the run, but if
FACTORY scope holes were there, then later. One way to tell if it was
drilled and tapped outside of the factory, USUALLY the gunsmith had no choice of
where to drill, so the holes will go through the factory make/model stampings.
As far as we can tell by observation, the 340 and 340A were
not factory drilled and tapped for a side mount scope base. However the 2
peep holes on the far LH receiver would have been carried over from the Stevens
325B and C with the 340's introduction in 1950. Later, in the 340B series, the side-mount scope holes were
introduced. However the S Deluxe versions were drilled and tapped for
scopes before the standard 340 and 340As were. Am I confusing you here?
Savage also made a stamped out
sheet-metal scope base/mount for this model. The one aftermarket scope base designed
just for this gun was the side mount Weaver #1 base. Other scope mounts
were made, another being Williams. When installing scopes on these
rifles, they having to be side mounts because of the open rear receiver bridge,
and the bolt handle passing through it, stock wood would have to be removed on
the LH side of the stock to accommodate the scope mount.
It appears the peep holes may not have been discontinued
until way late in the production "if at all" as shown in a photo below of a
Springfield 840, where it still has the peep mounting holes. However
I have seen one 840 with no peep holes.
Dates for many of these slight variations are unknown. Also do not try to date a firearm by
the rear sight. These are one thing that is sold by aftermarket companies
like Lyman or Marbles which are things that some hunters prefer different styles so
are probably the first thing changed on a gun.
The factory did offer a deluxe version of this
rifle, being the Models 340S and 342S (both were introduced in 1950 and ran
until at least 1956), which featured better wood with cut checkering similar to
what was common on the model 99 at that time, a Savage #175
peep rear sight, hooded gold bead front sight, drilled and tapped for peep and scope and sling swivels.
Where the "S" suffix designation comes from is unknown, unless it
referred to "Special" at that time.
In the photos below, it is hard to tell the true story behind these
photos, as this rifle receiver has factory 340 model, with a hand stamped A suffix.
It also has the apparent proper checkering for the S Deluxe version.
It has also been professionally reblued (blued bolt handle) at a previous date.
It sports the Dockendorf rear sight, but is missing the peep sight.
So it is either a very early S series OR someone tried to restore it,
not knowing it needed the peep, or both. Maybe even a transition
special order ??
Here is a 340S (Deluxe) checkered stock on a 340A
||This shows the
forearm checkering of the 340S
By Federal Law, all long guns did not need to to be serial
numbered prior to the Gun Control Act of 1968 (however some factories did for
their own reasons), so if your Savage has a serial number,
that means that it was made between 1968 and up to when that model was discontinued in
1985. Savage did not have separate model serial numbers after 1968, but
ran all the models/calibers that came off the assembly line consecutively, so a
Model 99 gun could have the next number as a model 340 rifle or model 94 shotgun,
just depending on the order they left the assembly line that day as that was apparently the last
thing done. However word was that the serial numbers were usually
assigned in lots relating to the number of guns contained in a shipping case. The serial numbers would use the prefix letter and the
firearms individual number up 999,999, then it started over using the next
letter. The factory published a listing of serial numbers at the
beginning of each year for use by their warranty centers, which this chart below
was taken from.
APPROX YEAR OF SAVAGE MANUFACTURE -
starting with the first of each year
Other than stated above and below, if you are trying to date
your granddads rifle, the only method would be a SWAG (Scientific Wild Ass
Guess). You may
contact the Savage Collectors Assn, send them some money to research it, but
I would guess since there are no serial numbers, you would have to give a
complete description AND some good close-up photos and then they would still only be
able to guess.
One way to also narrow dates down in addition to what I have supplied here is
the manufacturer's address stamped on the rifle. If it has Chicopee falls,
Mass., the gun had to have been made before 1960, as after that the address will
be Westfield Mass. And if it has a serial number, it was made after 1968.
The suffix model numbers for the
model 340 series did not match with the previous model 325 series, but started
over as it appears the initial model 340 would have probably have been basically the older
with the 340 design changes. These
suffix letters are a letter added to the model number on these guns when a
design change was implemented, starting with A, somewhere between the model 340A and the
B the front gas shield clip was changed to the same as the rear one piece clip
of the model 325 around the front bolt body.
I have seen two 340s that had an A hand stamped behind the
340, indicating again using up earlier parts after a parts change was
APPEARS that most of the series letters were in alphabetical order when a new change
was made in production, and NOT in direct collation to variations or specific
models, (like a C representing a carbine, or E representing magazine ejector as
many may think), however just a coincidence. The model appears to end
(discontinued) at the "E" series, however there is an "S" and "V" thrown into
the mix. It also APPEARS that there was no long range
documented planning as to model suffix series
designations in relationship to manufacturing changes. So if engineers /
management personnel changed, so did the plan, or lack of it. Therefore as
mentioned above, confusion may exist until it can be clarified, if ever.
By checking factory parts lists, the cocking piece cap was
introduced with the 340B. Now I have also seen a 340A with a hand stamped B
behind the existing factory A. This would probably have been
among the first Bs, utilizing the
pre-roll marked make/model 340A receiver, which would have been ran until they
were used up.
There were some shorter barreled (18.5") and designated as
carbines. Remember barrel length is measured from the bolt face to the
muzzle, not just to the front of the receiver. I have not found any real suffix letters specifically assigned
to the carbines. Of the carbines that I have seen, they all were in the C
series but I believe the C did not indicate carbine, again just a coincidence. I did find
somewhere that carbine production was from 1962 to 1964.
Again, do not get
the "E" as referring to the new design of magazine ejector series, as it
was way more common for the factory to use descending letters to coincide with
model changes than variations. There is possibly one exception here, probably the last model the "V" series
used on their Varminter series which was the then new 225 Winchester.
The bolt handles
were changed again late in production, about the time the "C" came into
production, being swept rearward slightly. Some late bolt knobs were even
knurled in the center (at the largest dia. using a 1/8" wide band of knurling).
The Gun Traders Guide does not show the "D" series, but the
factory parts book does, and only in 222 Remington which apparently had a short
life. It still uses the
finger grooved floorplate for grasping the magazine as sequenced by the suffix
letter prior to the magazine ejector "E" version. In the photo below,
you will notice that all the lettering AND caliber designations are roll stamped
on the barrel, leaving the receiver for the serial numbering.
340 series D
The 340E series had a flat floorplate and for the
30-30 and 225
uses a 1/2 round shaped spring that straddles the magazine on both sides and has short ears on
the spring ends that engage notches in the upper section of the magazine that "eject'
the magazine as compared to finger grooves in the floorplate where you can grasp
the magazine. When this E series was introduced and using the new
magazine ejector spring, the magazine dies were altered by deepening the notch
at the juncture of the rear feed lips and the main body. This existing
notch was deepened by about 1/16" to allow this new spring to rest deeper and
out of the way in this deepened notch. Upon depressing the rear magazine
latch, the magazine was supposedly ejected from the floorplate without having to
grasp it in the finger groove area that was cut out of the earlier stocks.
The late Es had no peep mounting holes.
I have seen only one photo of the 222 in the E series and it
does also have the flat floorplate, but I can not tell if there is any magazine
ejection system, but suspect the magazine is loose enough in the guides that it
just falls out when the release lever is pushed.
The 22 Hornet in whatever model always used it's own style flat floorplate because the Hornet magazine had side lips holding the
bottom on, which facilitated magazine removal.
|The E series
magazine ejector spring
photo to follow
These Savage guns were produced in 22 Hornet, 222 Remington,
with the 223 Remington, and 225 Winchester following that last calibers inception sometime after 1964. It is not sure
of the exact date of the 222 being introduced, but very likely in 1950 or 51 as
this cartridge was introduced by Remington in 1950 and since Savage had this
model already in production it was simpler to design a new magazine for this
caliber and make few alterations to the rifle, getting it out close behind the
Remington rifle. The 340V was made in 225 Winchester
and was produced in the mid
1960s for a few years, but was not popular. The model 342 and 342S were 22 Hornets only and
were the newer versions of the older Stevens model 322. The 342 was
produced from 1950 to 1955.
In an effort to boost sales in the mid 1970s, the factory
did some slight redesigning of the basic rifle. The Model 340E was
born with a impressed checkered walnut stock, along with a more
economical companion Springfield Model 840. These used a slightly
different magazine release lever and both
ran parallel with each other being available in 223 Rem. and 30-30.
The factory ceased
production of all the 340 series rifles in 1983, although rifles were
assembled from parts on hand and were carried in the catalog until
In the photo below showing the model 340E you can see the
flat floorplate and the newer sweptback bolt handle among with the pressed
checkering on the walnut stock. Most E series have also observed
using a Lyman folding rear
340 series E side view
This series, in addition to the flat
floorplate also had a slightly enlarged trigger guard, moreso at the
340 E series showing the floorplate/trigger guard and magazine in
The barrel retainer nut configuration has changed over time, from
the early radiused multi grooved nut, to the late smooth nut utilizing one 1/4
blind hole which a special spanner wrench was needed if removal was required.
This had to happen somewhere along the line near the end of
the series E production. I suspect
this was a running change and when the castigated nuts were used up
the round ones (less work to make) began being used.
A companion economy "E" series was introduced as the Springfield
Model 840 as seen in the photo below,
which featured a plain, uncheckered, stained birch stock and a
simple stamped steel rear sight. The basic differences
between it and the E series was the stock, and rear sights which
reverted back to the ones used on the 340B.
model 840 also utilized the 340E magazine ejector
Scoping the 325 / 340 :
As far as we can tell, NONE of the model 325 or 322 guns, or the very
early 340s were factory drilled and tapped for a side mount scope base, which
very likely may have been implemented in the later 340Bs. Drilling
and tapping for a peep sight will be found on all the earlier guns and would
have preceded any scope mount drilling/tapping.
Savage also later made a stamped out
sheet-metal scope base/mount for the 340 series, which would also be used for the
earlier 325 model if gunsmith drilled and tapped to accept it. When installing scopes on these rifles, they having to
be side mounts because of the split rear receiver design and will have to be
gunsmith drilled and tapped as a side mount to accommodate the Weaver #1
base. And the stock will need to be relieved to accommodate this base once
it is screwed onto the receiver.
For the Savage made mount,
it was a stamped 3 piece sheet metal scope mount (base and 2 one half rings) that was thin enough to be able to be
inserted in a shallow recess between the receiver and the outer part of the
stock of some stocks as seen in the photos below. You will not find any
markings on this mount as it was only sold by Savage and during later production,
it was included with the new gun.
Early on, Weaver did also make stamped out "N" mounts, but at
that time 3/4" and 7/8" scope tubes were common sizes, with 1" coming
in slightly later. These were
basically what Savage later copied for their 1" mounts, using Weaver's hole
spacing. Weaver's detachable side mounts came
in later with both 7/8" and 1" rings.
Savage stamped out sheet metal scope mount
||Rear end view of Savage
The early Weaver side mount scope rings were made
differently than later ones, whereas the rings themselves were not removable
from the top assembly. The scope ring assembly was removable from the
base, but not the individual rings themselves off the top assembly (being split)
as compared to removable in modern times. In the RH photo below, you
will also note that since these are side mount, where they have to overhang
enough to align the scope to the bore of the rifle.
In those days scopes were not Nitrogen filled, and since
the rings on these mounts were permanently located in position, the scope had to
be disassembled, (either removal of the eyepiece, and sometimes even the turret
assembly), slid into the rings to get in/or to somewhat adjust for eye relief,
and then reassembled. Yes fogging was common, I have starting out on a
cold morning, using a Weaver K2.5, stopped and unscrewed the eyepiece, allowing
the scope's internal temperature to equal the outside temperature before
reassembling the scope to begin my hunt. This worked fine the rest of the
day as both inside and outside temperatures were slow to adjust together.
Here the old Weaver detachable standard side
mount & #1 base for this model.
NOTE the rings are "slit rings" & not removable
The photo below, with this model being 340, (having no suffix)
AND it being drilled and tapped for scope (in somewhat proper location), with the stock wood being cut out for
the scope mount tells me that this gun was altered (drilled and tapped) for scope use after leaving
the factory. In this photo, you can see the 4 scope mounting holes
for a side mount and the appropriate stock cut out. Factory mount
cut-outs did not have square cuts in the stock. Also the 2 rear
holes are for mounting a receiver (peep) sight are
factory holes. The single round hole between the scope mounting holes and
the peep holes is where the ejector unit is pivoted into (buried under the
wood). The metal on top of the bolt is a bolt guide, as
the top of the receiver is split for the bolt handle base to slide thru.
This rib is also seen on the top. You will also note the peep holes
With these side mounts on this model, for the scope to
properly be centered over the bore, the wood has to be cut on the earlier guns
that did not have the lower stock line. Many not so knowledgably
gunschmits did not understand this and just laid the scope base on top of the
wood, which rotated the scope farther to the right. You will be advised
that in those days gunsmiths did not have access to scope mount drilling jigs
which accommodates the barreled action and somewhat guarantees proper alignment.
In these early days a gunsmith would clamp the base to the receiver, laying out
his desired location. Drill and tap one hole, that would be enough to
temporarily install the scope, then align the scope to the bore by looking down
the bore/scope, (bores-scopes were not readily available then), mark another
hole (usually on the other end), and drill and tap that. If everything
then looked OK, drill the others. IF NOT, then do some slight altering so
the other last 2 would make things come into place. Then lastly elongate
the second hole to allow that screw to be secured down along with all the
others. The problem with this model, the receiver was round, not having a
flat bottom as a reference to square to. And drill presses in those days
were not as rigid as today's ones or milling machines are.
The wood of the later versions
especially the E series was made lower at the area where the scope mount
attached so that there was no need to alter the wood to install a scope mount on
Here a model 340 with left side of the receiver showing holes low enough to save the lettering,
but requiring a cut out in the stock for the base
In the photo below, these scope mount holes are pretty well
placed in the proper location, but obviously non factory because of the defacing
of the lettering. These early guns also had the caliber stamped on the
receiver, so in mounting a scope the caliber markings were also covered up. The
later guns moved the caliber marking to the barrel.
Here a model 340B with left side of
the receiver showing markings drilled through lettering
In the photo below, you will notice the
Weaver scope mount rings protrude considerably forward from the base. This set of
rings are the "long" version made to accommodate the later longer eye
relief scopes. The standard rings are the same length as the base and in
many cases do not provide for enough room on the scope to achieve proper eye
relief because of restrictions of the placement of the turret mountings.
Here a model 840 with Weaver (long) detachable side
mounts & wood cut to match the base. The hole in the receiver in front of the
base is a gas escape hole
In the photo below, you will note the numerous cross
slots so that the scope can be adjusted more to fit the shooters eye and the eye
relief of the scope.
Here a B-Square base
designed for the 340, which uses regular Weaver style top mount rings
The only thing I have been able to identify different from
the 340 and the 340A (which they as seem to not be made in any abundance as I have only
seen a couple) is that the magazine latch protrusion was changed from the riveted
thin metal finger piece to the actual spring metal being formed rearward,
creating a better surface to push. However we see a lot of 340B series,
which utilized a cocking piece cap and a one piece front bolt guide clip
(officially called a gas shield).
apparently was a deluxe 340 which had checkering, sling swivels
and came with a peep rear sight. It was made during the mid 1960s.
The last of the series, the 340E series was also made under the Springfield name
as an 840E. As mentioned above, these models in 30-30 caliber dropped the finger groove notch in the trigger
guard/floor plate unit which now was flat with the bottom of the stock.
There was a big C shaped wire spring inside the stock magazine well that
straddled the magazine and was caught into the notches at the front of the
magazine feed lips. To facilitate this these notches had to be
made deeper to give the spring it’s end clearance. In operation, when you depressed the rear magazine latch, this
spring ejected the magazine.
One word of information here, IF you have this E model
in 30-30 and
happen to find a magazine assembly for the older models that does not have this
extra deep notch cut out, it will not function as designed. This also
pertains to the
840 series guns, you will have to deepen these notches to within .100 of the
bottom of the embossed groove on the side of the magazine. This amounts to
lowering them about .100.
The E series may have also been made in the other calibers of that
timeframe, but did not utilize the spring ejector magazine system that the 30-30
Also somewhere in the late made guns the bolt guide rib (gas
shield) on top of the bolt was changed to black plastic instead of steel.
340 bolt handle & walnut wood, note the magazine latch protrusion is the
same as the model 325
Here a reblued 340A showing the new style
The major retail stores sold these guns
but under their own model numbers, Sears model 101-53521 & 101-53527, Montgomery Wards
model 712, J.C. Penny 6400, and
Coast to Coast model 843.
Also these were also sold in
Canada by Canadian Industries Limited as the CIL Model 830. If
you have one of these guns and desire to cross-reference to the factory
Lever Lock Changed on Later Model 340 & 840 :
A factory letter
dated 3-28-1976 states - “For convenience in use of our Models 340 and 840, a
change in the bolt handle was made during 1976. The safety, in the
ON position, no longer locks the bolt handle, enabling the shooter to remove a
round from the chamber without changing the position of the safety.” Looks
like the corporate lawyers got paid for being on retainer on this one.
Below are the magazines used on the respective calibers.
The 30-30 and 225 rifles used the same magazines and have a capacity of 3 rounds,
then with one in the chamber giving the gun a capacity of 4 rounds.
Nowhere on ANY of these magazines is the makers name embossed. Note the
serrations for the magazine removal at the finger gripping area. The 30-30
follower is beveled at the rear for the rim to feed over on the last round and to
guarantee all the rounds are positioned the same as they come up for chambering.
The rear imprinted dimple grooves hold the rims back in the box and the forward
grooves help position the round sideways with the more pronounced but deeper
indent actually guides the case into the chamber.
The early magazines used in the 325 were slightly different. They were
made of heavier material (.040") and the rim retainer dimple groove was
different than later magazines as seen below. The naked box
with no writing at all and no finger grooves. The follower was blued and
the rear angle to allow the rim to lay flat was shallower and longer forward
than the later ones.
Here the original 325 naked magazine
Generally the magazines function interchangeably with both
the 325 Stevens and the 340 Savage for the same calibers, except if some early
325s are encountered, to rectify this
for the gunsmithing article addressing this issue. Early model 325 30-30
caliber magazines had no markings at all on them as seen in the above photo.
Then came Patent applied for, after that they had a patent number on the rear endplate.
Somewhere next was 30-30 Caliber stamped on the bottom. Somewhere in the
production the word FRONT was stamped on the RH side. Then the caliber
markings were placed on the front RH side. Lastly the markings were moved
to the RH rear.
The magazines shown below lists both the 30-30 and the 225 calibers.
It is not known when the liability marking was placed on them, but obviously the
225 markings were placed in the stamping dies after that caliber was introduced
by Winchester, probably somewhere near 1964 or 65, so the thinking would be both
were done at the same time.
Note on the center photo below the narrow deep notch on top
about 3/4" from the rear. This is the deepened notch referred to
previously that the "E" series utilized for it's magazine ejector
spring to fit in to. On the older magazines the notch
is there but not quite as deep as all the later magazines. All current
magazines are made with this deeper notch to accommodate all models.
|Savage 340, 30-30 bottom view
30-30/ 225 Win side view
||Savage 340, 30-30 top/follower view
The 222 and 223 magazines have a capacity of 5 rounds
which use a detented shoulder groove.
This groove is placed differently for each caliber. We once tried to
make a combo where both calibers were stamped on a 223 case, but feeding for
the 222 was erratic. The original factory magazines used a flat
follower that again caused somewhat erratic feeding problems. Then we
happened to contact an ex factory assistant service manager who informed us
that he made a slight bend in the forward part of the follower on guns that
came back for warranty. We have now made a special forming fixture to do
just that as seen below.
You may encounter different stamping of calibers
along with patent dates on these 222 and 223 magazines. After Wisner's purchased the factory dies to make these in our own shop, we found that setup was
critical in the stamping as the 2 calibers shared a master die, but with
different inserts used to change the shoulder dimple. This then
also required shimming of the insets to emboss the caliber stamping. In
doing this it was trial and error with the 12" X 26", 300 pound die needed to be removed, disassembled,
and stamp shimmed for each trial. We soon had a new stamp made that
placed this caliber on the bottom. So if you see a 222 or 223
magazine with those calibers on the bottom, it came off our dies. I
even for a single batch run stamped both 222 and 223 on a 223 box, but I
found the lower rounds of the 222 slid forward at firing of the upper
rounds, creating feeding problems for the 3rd and 4th round.
We also encountered feeding problems with both these two
calibers, and after talking with a old factory service manager, we
redesigned the follower so the front portion was raised somewhat supporting
the bullet better on the infeed into the chamber as seen in the RH photos
|Savage 340, 223 bottom view
||Savage 340, 223 side view
||Savage 340, 223 top/follower view
Notice the different location of the shoulder dimple between the 222 and the
223. The 222 shoulder dimple is farther to the rear.
|Savage 340, 222 bottom view
222 side view
||Savage 340, 222 top/follower view
About 2012 Wisners Inc added a capitol "S" to the
bottom of the 30-30, 222 and 223 magazines indicating Savage.
This 22 Hornet magazine was first used in the
Savage model 23D. Then when the 322/342s came along Savage simply utilized
that existing magazine
on this model also. So you may see some early magazines marked Savage 23D and
the caliber. Later magazines used on the 342 ultimately had the 23D
markings dropped off the bottom and just had the 22 Hornet caliber imprint as
|Savage 340, 22 Hornet bottom view
22 Hornet side view
||Savage 340, 22 Hornet top/follower view
Now for those of you who may have taken your trigger assembly
apart OR are assembling a gun from parts, shown below is a photo of the trigger
group from the rear showing the relationship of the trigger and sear springs.
All of the pins are riveted over on the outside of the trigger housing, creating
an issue if you disassemble it. Each of these springs are retained by a pin in the center loop with the short
lower tail resting on the respective part, but with the longer tail bearing on
the above part or against the steel housing/receiver if the sear spring.
Here is a photo of the trigger group rear,
showing the relationship of the trigger & sear springs
If you have one of these guns that I have not identified AND can
give me pertinent info with photos substantiating it I would like to hear from you.`
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