The breech bolt was made in two pieces, with the bolt head having a single locking top lug. The bolt handle was pressed onto a horizontally knurled rear bolt body and retained onto the front bolt unit by a single 1/8" cross pin.
Stevens 325 and
In this article you will see "it appears", "I believe", 'I have found" etc. as there is very little documented information available for these models, some general, but nothing in that the depth that this article contains. With the modern "Smart Phones" or video cameras, you will see many "Documentary Videos" by aspiring producer Joe Smutts who have recently bought one of these guns, try to do a documentary video about it and of course how accurate it is, but they have no clue as to anything other than what they have read by other "Joes", much of which was also corrupted. I have no problem with what they are trying to do, but please do their research first AND get it right.
Here, I have tried to be as factual as possible, not only to help the gun owner, but to more positively identify these firearms for the poor gunsmith. My background is that I was a part time gunsmith since 1959, full time since 1974 and factory warranty for 8 major firearms manufacturers including Savage from about 1985 until I shut my shop down in 1995. When I shut it down, I had 4 other full time gunsmiths plus myself, who even though they went thru gunsmithing schools, but were pretty much still apprentices, and with the volume of work we had, I could not give them all post-graduate training. We had way to many return repairs, and it got to where I had to personally inspect (and re-repair) every outgoing firearm. I shut the shop down and moved into manufacturing obsolete gun parts (which I had been doing part time all along the way).
I have been through the Savage factory numerous times, been friends with the service personnel and have factory documentation on many items that is not available to even the normal gunsmithing trade. I purchased the obsolete Savage factory tooling to make the magazines for these models in about 1990. I have a well worn complete factory parts catalog. I have personally looked at and documented MANY different rifles of this series over my gunsmithing career, then tried to couple this information to manufacturing procedures as to when the factory would make a slight change, I try to evaluate why, therefore I may be off slightly on a thing or two, but probably more factual than any other information you will see out there.
Here, I have included information from many sources, some written internet material that may not have been totally factual, so I may have either ignored or modified that as I saw fit. There also may be somewhat of a duplication of sporadic information here due to the length of time it has taken to compile this article (11 years) and I may not have re-read it in depth AGAIN, NUMEROUS TIMES to reconcile what I have here. However for some of this, it is about impossible to place information in a direct linage as to the different series of guns into manufacturing timing (I try) because of overlaps, so partly why an overlap of information will be found. Much of the information you see here is not available anywhere else in one location (if at all). So bear with me as I am still working on it, doing observations of personally owned guns or research at gun shows, gun shops or pawnshops. One thing I found in this research is DO NOT MAKE ASSUMTIONS, no matter how much you think you are the expert, unless you can pretty well back it up with logic, or better yet proof.
In The Beginning, Enter the Stevens Model 325: After WW-2, Savage designed a whole new simpler rifle made with many stamped steel parts, which was soon (the next year) followed by the Remington model 721 using much of the same new manufacturing ideas learned during the wartime production of military armament. It would be entirely possible for there to have been a MOLE in either Savage or Remington's engineering departments as both companies seemed to be working along the same parallel lines at the same time. OR it is entirely possible, that just by machinists either moving, or in search of better wages, changed employers, which would also transfer methods of doing things, (I know this was true within the early auto industry).
At that time, Savage being the parent company, sold their more economical guns under their Stevens and then later under the Springfield brand name.
It has been common practice in the firearm manufacturing industry if an improvement was made on an existing model, that a suffix letter was added to the original model number, Savage also followed this practice on this model. This gun introduced in 1947 as the model 325, was revised with models 325A, B and then the C before it was discontinued by Savage in late 1949 and then became the Savage model 340.
The one unique thing about these model 325 rifles was the barrel retaining nut. As far as I know, this method of securing a sporting rifle barrel was the first. The word is (but not confirmed) that they initially used machine gun barrels for this model that were left over from their sub-contractorship wartime production. And that's apparently where the now-standard Savage barrel nut came from, since that application was common for military type machine guns that required readily and rapidly replaceable barrels in the field.
Some of their earlier pre-war models like the Savage model 23, 40, 45, and the 1920 all of which also used detachable magazines, however the magazines used for this new 325 model was a totally different utilizing a new stamped out sheet steel design.
A brief description of these bolt action rifles consists of, a removable magazine fed, economical rifles were first marketed under the Stevens name, being introduced in 1947 and ran under that model number (with improvements identified by suffix letters to the model) until 1949. The model 325 was ONLY produced in the 30-30 caliber therefore the factory apparently saw no need to identify the magazine with any markings on it at that time. The models 322 series were made in 22 Hornet only, and again introduced in 1947, running parallel with the model 325. The 22 Hornet's magazines were a carry over from being used on their model 23D rifle which was manufactured from 1933 up until 1947 when the model 322 came into being. I wonder if the 322 in 22 Hornet may have been running ahead of, instead of parallel in design with the 325 in 30-30 because of the existing model 23D magazine being available, and then merged during engineering design.
These rifles were designed to fit a nitch for an economical hunting rifle that would handle only cartridges in the lower 42,000 to 45,000 PSI range. The model 325 / 322 bolt handle was distinctive in that it somewhat copied the European Mannlicher butter-knife handle, seen by returning WW-2 GIs. The locking system comprised of the bolt handle as a safety lug, with the bolt head utilizing one forward locking lug and a top guide rib. This bolt head had a milled slot in the LH lower quarter to allow the ejector to clear the extractor and eject the case at full rearward movement of the bolt.
The bolt was removed by opening the bolt, drawing it almost fully rearward and pulling the trigger to lower the sear which also acted as the bolt stop, then pulling it all the way out the rear. The bolt assembly, which had the single locking lug and bolt handle being on the same plane allowed insertation into the slotted top receiver bridge like a Mannlicher-Schoenauer. The extractor on both models was a stamped metal wrap around "C" type with the RH hook a deep dimple that was broached on the rear to form a sharp extraction surface, and the LH side a slight bearing pad to hold the rim.
The barrels were 22" long. The barreled action was held in the one-piece hardwood stock by a screw which entered the recoil lug on the front of the receiver, and a barrel band that was retained by a screw in the forearm. This method was a bit unorthodox in that the barrel and receiver were held in place, letting the rear section somewhat float, not very conducive to accuracy as was normally used, but these were close to medium range hunting guns and before scopes were common. There was no rear receiver stock screw, but the rear trigger guard was held up by a wood screw in the same approximate location.
The breech bolt was made in two pieces, with the bolt head having a single locking top lug. The bolt handle was pressed onto a horizontally knurled rear bolt body and retained onto the front bolt unit by a single 1/8" cross pin.
A pivoting safety lever was conveniently located on the right side of the receiver behind the bolt handle. This safety lever also locked the bolt in place when the safety was on safe. The removable magazine was held in place in front of the trigger guard by a spring-loaded catch.
The stocks were one piece, made of hardwood (usually birch) and could have been lightly stained and an oil finish to appear the color of a light walnut, with a black Bakelite buttplate. They had no checkering or provisions for mounting a sling. It was in the eyes of many gun enthusiasts, NOT a thing of beauty. The trigger guard/floor plate was a stamped sheet metal unit that had a section at the center of the magazine area radiused upward into the stock to form finger notches on both sides to facilitate grasping the magazine for removal. On these magazines were shallow horizontal grooves to also facilitate a grasping surface.
The stock in photo below of the gun, apparently has been stripped and refinished, but with no stain.
|Stevens model 325|
The magazine for the model 325 (being 30-30) was a single column, 3 shot, stamped out removable unit made from two single sheet of metal forming the sides and front/rear ends all riveted together forming a box. There was a magazine release lever at the rear of the magazine well of the trigger guard. You will notice in the photos below the actual release "button" is riveted to the rear guide spring.
|Butter-knife bolt handle & birch wood of the original model 325||Here a Stevens 325C with what appears to be the original oiled stock finish and a Lyman 40 peep rear sight|
There were 2 different barrel mounted rear sights. The Model 325 appears to have first used one that was threaded into the top of the barrel like the early model 15, 22 single shots and was also used on the 325A. The 325B and C appears to have used a regular stamped steel one which utilized the dovetail.
For the model 325, the front sight ramps utilized 2 screws holding on the ramp on the barrel and had a front sight blade used on the model 99 at that time.
|Front sight ramp & blade found on the 325|
Also replacement rear sights are something that can be added later in the gun's life, and those would normally be made by Lyman or Marbles, so these would have not been factory, so do not use them as being any significance in trying to date the gun.
In the left hand photo below the sight blade is held in place by a screw into the barrel, you will also notice a small pin at the front end of the elevator slot, which holds the sight in position as to not be bumped sideways. Just for jollies this sight factory part number is #325-229, while the dovetailed sight for the B & C versions is #325B-229, however both factory parts may be nearly impossible to find. Just for your information, all of Savage's part numbers have a code, with the firearm model number as the first set of numbers, a dash and the actual part. All parts have a designated number. Number 229 is for rear sights, #219 is front sights, #77 would be firing pins, #59 extractors, #53 were ejectors and #142 magazines, where each part is identifiable using this system once you understood. If after a transition to improved versions, the same part and number could carry through into later models, as there was no sense in changing part numbers of the same part for different guns. Therefore you may well find 325 parts (or even bolt action 410 shotgun) used on 340 rifles, like the trigger assembly, trigger guard screws, etc. Also some parts (usually extractors and magazine assemblies were identified by a suffix letter. As a sample, H represented 222 Remington. M = 223 Remington and C= 30-30, all calibers and gauges had their own letter code. Toward the early 1990s all parts went to a computerized 9 digit number with a prefix letter, as an example P3250059C0 for a model 340 extractor in 30-30 caliber. If the prefix was an A then that represented an assembly, if it was an P that indicated a part, while S indicated a kit.
If you have the B or C versions, aftermarket rear sights will fit the 3/8" dovetail. If your gun is the earlier screwed on sight, (which are no longer available) it may be best to take it to a gunsmith and have the screw location milled out to a standard dovetail slot and purchase a aftermarket rear sight, or install a peep receiver sight.
OK, now may be the time for a short gunsmithing 101 on dovetailed sights (both front and rear). The barrel dovetail will be slightly tapered and the sight has to be driven in from the RH side, slightly tightening as it gets all the way in. TO REMOVE IT, drive it out from the LH side, using a 1/4" or 3/8" brass or Nylon drift, even a old toothbrush handle works (this type a drift will not mar the base as much as a steel drift). For front sights that use a screwed on ramp type base, a special sight pusher tool should be used that pushes the sight by cranking a screw in. This reduces the chance of knocking/stripping the base screws out.
|Early (models 325 & 325A) screw retainer type rear sight||Late dovetailed 325B & 325C folded dovetail rear sight|
The barrel is slid into a recoil lug that abutted against the receiver front, being held in place by a barrel nut. The front action screw was threaded into the bottom of this recoil lug. The rear trigger guard wood screw was simply there to hold the rear of the trigger guard and only screwed into the stock. The front barrel band screw screwed into a block that was attached to a thin sheet metal band around the barrel in the forward part of the forearm.
There was a gas relief hole on the front LH side of the receiver in line with the rear of the barrel/locking bolt front juncture.
The make/model and caliber designation was marked on the LH side of the receiver, where the barrels had no markings. If someone drills and taps the rifle for the later scope mounts, there will usually be no model or caliber designation showing as the scope base covers the markings up. You can also tell if it was drilled/tapped other than factory IF the holes go thru and deface any of the factory maker/model markings on the receiver side.
This gun was made with many metal stampings which set the guide for the design for the later to come Savage model 110. The barrel was threaded and chambered, then threaded into the receiver, rotating in until it properly headspaced, then being locked in place by the barrel nut. Then the barrel markings (if any) were then rolled on, and/or the sight slot cut and front sight holes drilled and tapped after the barrel was tightened down. This process greatly reduced skilled labor in manufacturing AND the assembly. Neither of the model 325 or 322 versions had provisions for a installing telescope sight mount. However the 325C shows up with being drilled and tapped for a peep sight.
The extractors were stamped out/formed heat treated sheet steel. In the photos below you can see the wrapped around "C" extractor, which has a small hook on the RH side and a rounded rear section that holds the case rim in place until the ejector pushes it out at the rearward stroke through the groove you see on the lower RH side of the bolt. The LH photo below is of the 30-30, where the RH photo shows the model 322 in 22 Hornet which is very similar, but fits a smaller diameter bolt face. You will notice the ejector slot in the lower RH bolt face of both.
|Bolt head showing extractor of model 325 30-30||
Bolt head showing extractor of model 322
The initial model 325 utilized a rather different style
ejector #325-53 than commonly seen, being a long sheet metal unit running from
the front of the receiver back along side of the magazine well to the rear of
the magazine area. The later model 325A, B and C used what would later
became standard, was
a smaller short spring-loaded pivoting ejector in the LH receiver at the rear of
the magazine area.
In the photo below the LH side shows the 325 single long spring 30-30 ejector. This ejector also incorporated the front magazine guide and uses the regular guide hole as it's retainer. The RH photo shows at the top the 30-30, (being the longest case) center a 222 and at the bottom the 22 hornet. Some of the later models, (the D in 222) and the 223 used a total different design, being a small dia. spring loaded plunger mounted in the LH side of the bolt face, type similar to the Remington 721/722 of that time frame. The extractors for these plunger type ejector bolts used small captivated spring loaded extractors, these being the forerunner of the current model 110 type extractors.
|Stevens 325 early long ejector #325-53||Stevens 325A & subsequent Savage 340 new style pivoting different caliber ejectors||340 bolt mounted plunger type ejector for 222 & 223|
The 325C had numerous small changes in the trigger unit (shape of the housing, different sear and sear lever), the top gas shield was also changed.
The firing pin was unique in that the rear was threaded to adjust the protrusion and locked into place by a “C” clip that slid over the square rear section locking the firing pin in forward/aft movement after the firing pin protrusion was set. This clip was captivated when the striker unit was assembled into the bolt body as seen in the photo below. Also you will notice the gas shield attached to the rear of the striker/cocking lug, that will be found on the later Savage 340B and later guns. Also the round blind hole on the rear base of the bolt handle was what the safety locked into securing the bolt when on safe.
|Here, you can see part of the firing pin retainer clip being exposed in the bolt's cocking notch of a 340B|
There are many invocative ideas on this gun that Remington apparently later copied/improved on when they made their model 721 which then evolved into the well known model 700.
The models 322 A, B, C and S were 22 Hornet only and produced from 1947 to 1949 running parallel with the model 325. This smaller caliber rifle used the same receiver as the 30-30, but it sported a shorter ejection port, and they cut a smaller hole in the bottom for assorted magazine fittings to accommodate the smaller caliber, existing model 23D rifle magazine.
After a thorough investigation, I have concluded that originally the 30-30 magazines for the model 325 were derived from the model 58 410, 2 1/2" shotgun magazines, by extending the front about .160". Over the years, I have seen a few of these rifles with this shotgun style magazine, but was not sure as to the origin, where somehow they managed to stay with the rifle over the years. These can be identified by the being plain unmarked, with the outer sides 1/2 a magazine, extending down and folded over lengthwise on the bottom, leaving a slightly open seam down the center of the bottom with the front and rear riveted into the sides (shown farther down in this article under magazines).
Magazine Changes Needed if Using 340 Magazines in All Model 325s : The model 325 and thru the 325 B guns were made for the modified 410 shotgun magazines, apparently had a deeper stop pad that the later 340 magazines. When installing new later or current replacement magazines, (remember they are made on different factory tooling). The receiver has recesses which act as a upper stop for the magazine, but the stop pad is taller on the new magazines. You may have to lightly file off the stop pads on the new magazines. These are the tabs that are protruding both front and rear corners of the magazine body. Not much is needed to be removed, about .025 on the front with .010 on the rear has been found to be sufficient. Otherwise the magazine will not go all the way up and it usually will get bound up by being twisted front to back and get bound against the front and rear guides.
Also for the 325 only, you also need to do one more alteration. On the top LH front follower retainer dimple, you need to make about 2 passes with a file from the inner top to inward at a 45 degree angle, just breaking the sharp edge. You will need to press the follower down a bit (or remove it) when doing this. If you don't file this off, it may be hard to open the bolt after closing and it will swell the front sides of the magazine out a bit. What is happening is that the early #325-53 long ejector rides up into the slot in the bolt, and you have now forced it into the magazine opening. You may luck out if using older or used magazine that may be worn here enough to not bind. In the LR photo below, you can see the filed off shiny spot on the forward inside follower stop dimple.
|Breaking edge of follower stop of 340 magazine used for the 325||Filing down the magazine stop pads|
|Exploded views of Savage 340B. These are not part numbers, but reference numbers|
Enter the Savage 340 : From all information available, the mother company Savage, dropped the 325C at the end of 1949 and picked up the design in 1950, producing it under the renamed Savage model 340 which remained in production until 1985. In all of the factory advertisement nothing was mentioned as to model suffix letters (unless it was for the "S" Deluxe or the 225 Varmiter). The suffix model numbers for the model 340 series did not match with the previous model 325 series, but started over as it appears the initial model 340 would have probably have been basically the older model 325C with the 340 design and caliber changes. These suffix letters are a letter added to the model number on these guns when a design change was implemented, starting with A.
Therefore it appears that each time the factory made a change in the firearm, a suffix letter was added to the model number. To them, a 340A, B, C, D, or E were all a model 340. That could be partly why when we who are trying to re-create the history many years later are running into many unanswered questions. Also I have found some transition carryover of parts between the series, and this would be common in the industry when using up current parts inventory.
With the introduction of the 340, the bolt handle was changed to the more common round knob type. The handle's attachment to the rear bolt body was changed somewhere during production of the bolt handle being pressed onto a horizontally knurled rear bolt body was apparently later changed to being silver soldered on.
The stock was changed to plain uncheckered oil finished walnut with no grip cap for the standard guns and was modernized somewhat toward the latter production years. The 340C sports a plain oil finished stock with white line grip cap and buttplate spacers shown in a 1962 magazine advertisement. Pressed checkering was used on some later models, essentially the late D and E series. By late D series, I validate this as I have found a D series with 191,46X (1968) that has a plain stock.
The Dockendorff rear sight was introduced with the 340 series and into the 340A series, then until about the time the 340B entered the scene, the later guns used the regular 3/8" dovetailed type rear sights again. Also I have the front ramp sight residing on a 340 with the Dockendorff name impressed in it as seen in the RH photo below. All ramped front sights were attached using 2 screws and were brass beaded blades as compared to the square top of the 325. I have seen 340Bs using the front ramped gold bead sight.
The magazine construction was changed for the 340 to a stamped out single sheet of steel, made like an open box, then formed and riveted together producing a simple secure box magazine. The tooling required for this procedure was rather complicated, but in the long run produced a better magazine as far as manufacturing was concerned.
Standard barrel lengths were 22" for the 30-30 and 22 Hornet, but 24" for the 222, 223 and 225.
This gun sold for $42.95 with the 340S (deluxe) for $53.65 in 1951. In 1953 and 1954 the price was $48.75 for the standard, with the 340S (deluxe) for $60.45. In 1957 the price went up to $57.50. The 1961 price was $61.50
|Dockendorff rear sight||Dockendorff front sight|
|Here the gold bead front sight as found on a 340B|
The "C" type extractors for the model 340 series were carried over from the model 325 and 322 and then changed or improved as time went on. Initially the 222 Rem. used a very similar extractor as the 22 Hornet did, then later (at the introduction of the D series) went into the small hardened Beryllium Copper extractor fitted into a round hole in the outside (RH) of the bolt head front, using a thin flat spring retained by a cross-pin that the front end put tension on the extractor. In addition to this there was a new plunger style ejector installed in the back side of the bolt face. For this version, the old rear pivoted ejector was abandoned. The 223, since it came in later than the 222 used the then existing 222 system. In the RH photo below the extractor is visible opposite the ejector.
Bolt head showing extractor of model 325 & 340
|Bolt head showing extractor for 22 Hornet & early 222||Bolt head showing extractor & new plunger style ejector for 222 & 223|
The factory parts list shows that the 225 also used the same ejector as the 222. It lists (but no illustration) a different type pivoted extractor, being .955" long with a hooked front and spring under the tail. Since this 225 cartridge uses the same basic rim as the 30-06 (.035" smaller that the 30-30), the 225 bolt head would have to have been made differently to accommodate these parts. Again, there seems to a a strong kinship of this extractor to the Remington model 788 in 30-30. ??
Now, I am making an observation as to
why this change would have been made instead of using the 30-30 style extractor.
In my experimentation on my
gunsmithing the 340 article I tried to
reload to slightly higher velocities as compared to a lever gun, but found that
the C clip type extractor was the weak link, so that is possibly why they
upgraded this 225 extraction design.
In the photos below you will see the difference of the 225 Win. bolt head as compared to the photos above. The extractor is pivoted just aft of it's midsection with a small coil spring under the tail. The ejector is the same as for the 222/223 and it appears that it is in the same location as for the 222/223.
|Bolt head showing extractor of model 340V 225 Win||Bolt head showing extractor for 340V 225 Win|
In trying to decipher out parts from the factory parts lists can be challenging as one drawing can cover numerous models/series and many times with no illustration shown, just a note with part number and caliber. That is fine if you had the gun in front of you and were ordering parts. Then I have found mistakes there also. Do not get caught up in their application, but look at the part number suffix, which probably designates the series.
The 340 was made in 30-30, and 222 Remington (later the 223 Remington), using the same receiver and most other common parts from the 30-30. The 222 receiver had a smaller ejection port opening and magazine well cut out, the rear magazine latch was moved forward .200" to accommodate the shorter, narrower magazine. The 222 magazine holding 4 rounds, was a scaled down version of the 30-30.
The trigger assembly is just that. It consists of a stamped out sheet metal U shaped housing that is screwed onto the bottom of the receiver by 2 screws. The front screw of this attachment also secures the rear magazine latch. Then all the internal parts, trigger, sear, sear cam, magazine stop along the sear and trigger springs are secured together in this unit by rivets, after it is screwed onto the receiver. The springs function are a bit unorthodox. Therefore if you need to go any work on the trigger unit, some of the rivets need to be deheaded to facilitate removal.
The safety lever had a small changed at the "B" series.
Savage also made a stamped out sheet-metal scope base/mount for this model. The one aftermarket scope base designed just for this gun was the side mount Weaver #1 base. Other scope mounts were made, another being Williams. When installing scopes on these rifles, they having to be side mounts because of the open rear receiver bridge, and the bolt handle passing through it, stock wood would have to be removed on the LH side of the stock to accommodate the scope mount.
The factory did offer a deluxe version of this rifle, being the Models 340S and 342S (both were introduced in 1950 and ran until at least 1956), which featured better wood with cut checkering similar to what was common on the model 99 at that time, a Savage #175 peep rear sight, hooded gold bead front sight, drilled and tapped for peep and scope and sling swivels. Where the "S" suffix designation comes from is unknown, unless it had some reference to meaning "Special" at that time.
I have had numerous inquiries trying to pin down the exact date of manufacture. This is not possible UNLESS you can acquire the original sales receipt, but by reading this article and applying what you read, you may be able to come up with a guestimate to within a few years time frame. If that is not acceptable to you, - SORRY - but that is the best I can do, as this article is probably your only source if information for these non serial numbered guns. Do not try to date your gun by the condition of the metal or the color of the stock. Gunsmiths have for years been earning a living rebluing of firearms, some can reproduce original finish quite well where only an expert can tell the difference, while others fall woefully short. And the stocks can be refinished or replaced because of being broken. Sights can be removed or replaced by non standard ones.
Personal Observation : There appear to not be any readily accessible records for these models, and prior to 1968 serial numbers were not used on these models nor required. Dates for many of these slight variations are unknown. Also do not try to date a firearm by the rear sight. These are one thing that is sold by aftermarket companies like Lyman or Marbles which are things that some hunters prefer different styles so are probably the first thing changed on a gun.
As far as we can tell by observation, the 340 was not factory drilled and tapped for a side mount scope base. However the 2 peep holes on the far LH receiver would have been carried over from the Stevens 325B and C with the 340's introduction in 1950. I have seen the 340A being drilled and tapped for scope mounts which has all the indications of being factory, which I assumed was a late A as most Bs were scope drilled and tapped. However the "Deluxe" 340S (actually the deluxe 340) versions were drilled and tapped for scopes before the later B series entered the scene. One way to tell if it was drilled and tapped outside of the factory, USUALLY the gunsmith had no choice of where to drill, so the holes will go through the factory make/model stampings.
It appears the peep holes may not have been discontinued until way late in the production as shown in a photo below of a Springfield 840, where it still has the peep mounting holes. However I have seen one 840 with no peep holes so this seems to have been about the end of the peep holes.
|Here is a 340S (Deluxe) checkered stock on a 340A||This shows the forearm checkering of the 340S|
There is some misinformation as for Savage/Stevens date codes out on the internet, OR people do not read completely. Yes there is a factory letter code, BUT it is for Single and Double barrel shotguns ONLY. Therefore a misinterpreted date code of a model 325C series rifle could not have been made in 1951 as per the (C) may be inferring, because that model was discontinued by then. Then if you try to apply that the to the model 340C, the C series was in all probability not introduced by then. Sorry guys to break your knowledge bubble.
By Federal Law, all long guns did not need to to be serial numbered prior to the Gun Control Act of 1968 (however some factories did for their own reasons), so if your Savage has a serial number, that means that it was made between 1968 and up to when that model was discontinued in 1985.
Savage did not have separate model serial numbers after 1968, but ran all the models/calibers that came off the assembly line consecutively, so a Model 99 gun could have the next number as a model 340 rifle or model 94 shotgun, just depending on the order they left the assembly line that day as that was apparently the last thing done. However word was that the serial numbers were usually assigned in lots relating to the number of guns contained in a shipping case. The serial numbers would use the prefix letter and the firearms individual number up 999,999, then it started over using the next letter. The factory published a listing of serial numbers at the beginning of each year for use by their warranty centers, which this chart below was taken from.
You may see some of these rifles with a serial number that do not contain a prefix letter. A possible explanation would be that Savage was already using serial numbers on other firearms they were producing, and with the numbering sequence already in place and being used, so when the Gun Control Act came into effect in 1968, they added the 340s to that process, which does not show on the chart below that I acquired from Savage as a warranty center for 1968.
Initially it seems the serial numbers were stamped on the RH front receiver ring, later they was moved to the center LH side of the receiver, where if scoped it would have been covered up.
|APPROX YEAR OF SAVAGE MANUFACTURE - starting with the first of each year|
Other than stated above and below, if you are trying to date your granddads rifle, the only method would be a SWAG (Scientific Wild Ass Guess). You may contact the Savage Collectors Assn, send them some money to research it, but I would guess since there are no serial numbers, you would have to give a complete description AND some good close-up photos and then they would still only be able to guess, as we have no dates of when the suffix model numbers started being used.
If and when I do enough up close and personal exposure to more actual guns to where I can be a lot surer than I am now, as to close to possible dates of suffix changes, again we will have to accept just a SWAG.
One way to also narrow dates down in addition to what I have supplied here is the manufacturer's address stamped on the rifle. If it has Chicopee falls, Mass., the gun had to have been made before 1960, as after that the address will be Westfield Mass. And if it has a serial number, it was made after 1968.
Somewhere between the model 340A and the B it appears the front of the bolt body ejector slot was changed replacing the front gas shield clip with the same as the rear one piece clip of the model 325 around the front bolt body, eliminating a weak area. This long ejector slot in the bolt was not needed when using the new style of spring operated ejector.
I have seen two 340s that had an A hand stamped behind the factory 340, indicating again using up earlier parts after a parts change was introduced. Now I have also seen a 340A with a hand stamped B behind the existing factory A. This would probably have been among the first Bs, utilizing the pre-roll marked make/model 340A receiver, which would have been ran until they were used up.
It APPEARS that most of the series letters were in alphabetical order when a new change was made in production, and NOT in direct collation to variations or specific models, (like a C representing a carbine, or E representing magazine ejector as many may think), however possibly just a coincidence. The model appears to end (discontinued) at the "E" series, however there is an "S" and "V" thrown into the mix. It also APPEARS that there was no long range documented planning as to model suffix series designations in relationship to manufacturing changes. So if engineers / management personnel changed, so did the plan, or lack of it. Therefore as mentioned above, confusion may exist until it can be clarified, if ever.
By checking factory parts lists, the cocking piece cap was
introduced with the 340B. The factory name and caliber was moved to
the barrel on the C series.
There were some shorter barreled (18.5") and designated as carbines. Remember barrel length is measured from the bolt face to the muzzle, not just to the front of the receiver. I have not found any real suffix letters specifically assigned to the carbines. Of the carbines that I have seen, they all were in the C series but I believe the C did not indicate carbine, again just a coincidence. However I did see a factory add for the carbine listing it as a 340C. I did find somewhere that carbine production was from 1962 to 1964.
Again, do not get the "E" as referring to the new design of magazine ejector series, as it was way more common for the factory to use descending letters to coincide with model changes than variations. There is possibly one exception here, probably the last model the "V" series used on their Varminter series which was the then new 225 Winchester.
The bolt handles were changed again late in production, about the time the "C" came into production, being swept rearward slightly. Some late bolt knobs were even knurled in the center (at the largest dia. using a 5/32" wide band of knurling).
The Gun Traders Guide does not show the "D" series, but the factory parts book does, and only in 222 Remington which apparently had a short life. It still uses the finger grooved floorplate for grasping the magazine as sequenced by the suffix letter prior to the magazine ejector "E" version. In the photo below, you will notice that all the lettering AND caliber designations are roll stamped on the barrel, leaving the receiver for the serial numbering.
It is beginning to be my belief that this D series was when
the factory introduced the new plunger style ejector and corresponding extractor
for the 222 and then carried over in the E series for the 223. OK,
verified form parts list showing the plunger ejector #340D-53H, as the D should
indicate the D series and the H refers to the 22 Hornet caliber.
|Savage 340 series D in 222 Rem.|
In the photo above, the rear sight is a typical late Savage sight, being the dovetailed long tang, but having the blade being able to fold down if need be to clear a scope end bell. In this photo the elevator is missing however.
In the photo below, you will see the differences in the 222/223 action on top, and the 30-30 on the bottom. The top is now a 223, being made up of parts, but probably a LATE "C" or possibly D version in the B301,XXX serial number range, as it has no provision for the pivoted ejector and uses the plungered style ejector. Note the moved forward rear magazine latch on the upper gun and the bulkier sintered metal trigger which apparently was nickel plated as they were so oil impressed that blueing them was impossible. The bottom action is a model 340 in 30-30 as evidenced by the magazine latch configuration and no gas shield on the cocking knob
You will notice on the three photos below, the one visible difference in the receivers of the different calibers, being the ejection port opening, longer for the 30-30, smaller for the 222/223 and smaller yet for the 22 Hornet.
|Visible differences in the Savage 222/223 Rem & the 30-30.|
These Savage guns were produced in 22 Hornet, 222 Remington, with the 223 Remington, and 225 Winchester following that last calibers inception sometime after 1964. I have not been able to document the exact date of the 222 being introduced, but very likely in 1952 as I have seen a magazine add mentioning it as new for 1953, and as this cartridge was introduced by Remington in 1950 and since Savage had this model already in production it was simpler to design a new magazine for this caliber and make few alterations to the rifle, getting it out close behind the Remington rifle.
The 340V was made in 225 Winchester and was produced in
the mid 1960s but sales were slow, and I have viewed one in the late E series, but
it was not very popular, which could have been one of the clean up assemblies. The model 342 and 342S were 22 Hornets only and
were the newer versions of the older Stevens model 322. The 342 in was
produced from 1950 to 1955.
|Savage 342 series in 22 Hornet|
The 340E series had a flat floorplate and for the 30-30 and 225 uses a internal 1/2 round shaped spring that straddles the magazine on both sides and has short ears on the spring ends that engage notches in the upper section of the magazine that "eject' the magazine as compared to finger grooves in the floorplate where you can grasp the magazine. When this E series was introduced and using the new magazine ejector spring, the magazine dies were altered by deepening the notch at the juncture of the rear feed lips and the main body. This existing notch was deepened by about 1/16" to allow this new spring to rest deeper and out of the way in this deepened notch. Upon depressing the rear magazine latch, the magazine was supposedly ejected from the floorplate without having to grasp it in the finger groove area that was cut out of the earlier stocks. The late Es had no peep mounting holes.
I have seen only one photo of the 222 in the E series and it does also have the flat floorplate, but it appears to not have any magazine ejection system, so suspect the magazine is loose enough in the guides that it just falls out when the release lever is pushed.
The 22 Hornet in whatever model always used it's own style flat floorplate because the Hornet magazine had side lips holding the bottom on, which facilitated magazine removal.
In the photo below showing the model 340E you can see the flat floorplate and the newer sweptback bolt handle among with the pressed checkering on the walnut stock. Most E series have also observed using a Lyman folding rear sight.
|Savage 340 series E 30-30 side view|
This series, in addition to the flat floorplate also had a slightly enlarged trigger guard, moreso at the rear part.
|Savage 340 E series showing the floorplate/trigger guard and magazine in the gun.|
|The E series magazine ejector spring|
|photo to follow|
|The Springfield model 840 also utilized the 340E floorplate & magazine ejector|
Scoping the 325 / 340 : As far as we can tell, NONE of the model 325 or 322 guns, or the very early 340s were factory drilled and tapped for a side mount scope base, which very likely may have been implemented in the 340A or early Bs. Drilling and tapping for a peep sight will be found on all the earlier guns and would have preceded any scope mount drilling/tapping.
Savage also later made a stamped out sheet-metal scope base/mount for the 340 series, which would also be used for the earlier 325 model if gunsmith drilled and tapped to accept it. When installing scopes on these rifles, they having to be side mounts because of the split rear receiver design and will have to be gunsmith drilled and tapped as a side mount to accommodate the Weaver #1 base. And the stock will need to be relieved to accommodate this base once it is screwed onto the receiver.
For the Savage made mount, it was a stamped 3 piece sheet metal scope mount (base and 2 one half rings) that was thin enough to be able to be inserted in a shallow recess between the receiver and the outer part of the stock of some stocks as seen in the photos below. You will not find any markings on this mount as it was only sold by Savage and during later production, it was included with the new gun.
Early on, Weaver did also make stamped out "N" mounts, but at that time 3/4" and 7/8" scope tubes were common sizes, with 1" coming in slightly later. These were basically what Savage later copied for their 1" mounts, using Weaver's hole spacing. Weaver's detachable side mounts came in later with both 7/8" and 1" rings.
|Savage stamped out sheet metal scope mount||Rear end view of Savage scope mount|
The early Weaver side mount scope rings were made differently than later ones, whereas the rings themselves were not removable from the top assembly. The scope ring assembly was removable from the base, but not the individual rings themselves off the top assembly (being split) as compared to removable in modern times. In the RH photo below, you will also note that since these are side mount, where they have to overhang enough to align the scope to the bore of the rifle.
In those days scopes were not Nitrogen filled, and since the rings on these mounts were permanently located in position, the scope had to be disassembled, (either removal of the eyepiece, and sometimes even the turret assembly), slid into the rings to get in/or to somewhat adjust for eye relief, and then reassembled. Yes, fogging was common, I have starting out on a cold morning, using a Weaver K2.5, stopped and unscrewed the eyepiece, allowing the scope's internal temperature to equal the outside temperature before reassembling the scope to begin my hunt. This worked fine the rest of the day as both inside and outside temperatures were slow to adjust together.
|Here the old Weaver detachable standard side mount & #1 base for this model.||NOTE the rings are "slit rings" & not removable like the new style|
The photo below, with this model being 340, (having no suffix) AND it being drilled and tapped for scope (in somewhat proper location), with the stock wood being cut out for the scope mount tells me that this gun was altered (drilled and tapped) for scope use after leaving the factory. In this photo, you can see the 4 scope mounting holes for a side mount and the appropriate stock cut out. Factory mount cut-outs did not have square cuts in the stock. Also the 2 rear holes are for mounting a receiver (peep) sight are factory holes. The single round hole between the scope mounting holes and the peep holes is where the ejector unit is pivoted into (buried under the wood). The metal on top of the bolt is a bolt guide, as the top of the receiver is split for the bolt handle base to slide thru. This rib is also seen on the top. You will also note the peep holes tapped.
With these side mounts on this model, for the scope to properly be centered over the bore, the wood has to be cut on the earlier guns that did not have the lower stock line. Many not so knowledgably gunschmits did not understand this and just laid the scope base on top of the wood, which rotated the scope farther to gain a scope truly over the bore. You will be advised that in those days gunsmiths did not have access to scope mount drilling jigs which accommodates the barreled action and somewhat guarantees proper alignment. In these early days a gunsmith would clamp the base to the receiver, laying out his desired location. Drill and tap one end hole, that would be enough to temporarily install the scope, then align the scope to the bore by looking down the bore/scope, (bores-scopes were not readily available then), mark another hole (usually on the other end), and drill and tap that. If everything then looked OK, drill the others. IF NOT, then do some slight altering of the base holes so the other last 2 would make things come into place. Then lastly elongate the second hole to allow that screw to be secured down along with all the others. The problem with this model, the receiver was round, not having a flat bottom as a reference to square to. And drill presses in those days were not as rigid as today's ones or milling machines are.
The wood of the later versions especially the E series was made lower at the area where the scope mount attached so that there was no need to alter the wood to install a scope mount on these guns.
|Here a model 340 with left side of the receiver showing holes low enough to save the lettering, but requiring a cut out in the stock for the base|
In the photo below, these scope mount holes are pretty well placed in the proper location, but obviously non factory because of the defacing of the lettering. These early guns also had the caliber stamped on the receiver, so in mounting a scope the caliber markings were also covered up. The later guns moved the caliber marking to the barrel.
|Here a model 340B with left side of the receiver showing markings drilled through lettering|
In the photo below, you will notice the Weaver scope mount rings protrude considerably forward from the base. This set of rings are the "long" version made to accommodate the later longer eye relief scopes. The standard rings are the same length as the base and in many cases do not provide for enough room on the scope to achieve proper eye relief because of restrictions of the placement of the turret mountings.
|Here a model 840 with Weaver (long) detachable side mounts & wood cut to match the base. The hole in the receiver in front of the base is a gas escape hole|
In the photo below, you will note the numerous cross slots so that the scope can be adjusted more to fit the shooters eye and the eye relief of the scope.
|Here a B-Square base designed for the 340, which uses regular Weaver style top mount rings|
The only thing I have been able to identify different from the 340 and the 340A (which they as seem to not be made in any abundance as I have only seen a couple) is that the magazine latch protrusion was changed from the riveted thin metal finger piece to the actual spring metal being formed rearward, creating a better surface to push. However we see a lot of 340B series, which utilized a cocking piece cap and a one piece front bolt guide clip (officially called a gas shield).
The 340C apparently was a deluxe 340 which had checkering, sling swivels and came with a peep rear sight. It was made during the mid 1960s. ???? where I got this I am not sure and it does not make sense.
The last of the series, the 340E series was also made under the Springfield name as an 840E. As mentioned above, these models in 30-30 caliber dropped the finger groove notch in the trigger guard/floor plate unit which now was flat with the bottom of the stock. There was a big C shaped wire spring inside the stock magazine well that straddled the magazine and was caught into the notches at the front of the magazine feed lips. To facilitate this these notches had to be made deeper to give the spring it’s end clearance. In operation, when you depressed the rear magazine latch, this spring ejected the magazine.
One word of information here, IF you have this E model in 30-30 and happen to find a magazine assembly for the older 340 models that does not have this extra deep notch cut out, it will not function as designed. This also pertains to the 840 series guns, you will have to deepen these notches to within .100 of the bottom of the embossed groove on the side of the magazine. This amounts to lowering them about .100.
The E series may have also been made in the other calibers of that timeframe, but did not utilize the spring ejector magazine system that the 30-30 used.
Also somewhere in the late made guns the bolt guide rib (gas shield) on top of the bolt was changed to black plastic instead of steel.
340 bolt handle & walnut wood, note the magazine latch protrusion
is the same as the model 325
|Here a 340A showing the new style magazine latch|
The major retail stores sold these guns but under their own model numbers, Sears model 101-53521 & 101-53527, Montgomery Wards model 712, J.C. Penny 6400, and Coast to Coast model 843. Also these were also sold in Canada by Canadian Industries Limited as the CIL Model 830. Most of these firearms used hardwood (birch wood) which could have had minimal pressed checkering. If you have one of these guns and desire to cross-reference to the factory equivalent CLICK HERE.
Safety Lever Lock Changed on Later Model 340 & 840 : A factory letter dated 3-28-1976 states - “For convenience in use of our Models 340 and 840, a change in the bolt handle was made during 1976. The safety, in the ON position, no longer locks the bolt handle, enabling the shooter to remove a round from the chamber without changing the position of the safety.” Looks like the corporate lawyers got paid for being on retainer on this one. You will notice on the above factory quote, they do not mention any Suffix lettering on the 340 which at that time likely would have been C.
Magazines : Below are the magazines used on the respective calibers. The 30-30 and 325 rifles used the same magazines and have a capacity of 3 rounds, then with one in the chamber giving the gun a capacity of 4 rounds. These magazines have transitioned with many changes during the lifespan of these models. Nowhere on ANY of these magazines is the makers name embossed. Note the serrations on the later versions for the magazine removal at the finger gripping area. The 30-30 follower is beveled at the rear for the rim to feed over on the last round and to guarantee all the rounds are positioned the same as they come up for chambering. The rear imprinted dimple grooves hold the rims back in the box and the forward grooves help position the round sideways with the more pronounced but deeper indent actually guides the case into the chamber.
It is becoming my confirmed belief that the early model 325 guns used a modified version of the model 58, 2 1/2" 410 shotgun magazine that was in existence at that time. Initially when seeing these 50 to 60 years after production, in or with the 325 rifles, I thought it was just a coincidence and that they were indeed the 2 1/2" shotgun magazine, but upon looking farther, the shotgun magazine is .160" shorter than the 30-30 magazine. However with the 325 only being in production for 2 years before the 340 took over, this is starting to make sense and maybe the magazine we now know being used for the 30-30 did not enter the field until when the 340 took over in 1950. This makes more sense in that the original modified shotgun magazine could have been used while production got underway and proved it was a viable enterprise, allowing them to then take the time to make a complete dedicated tooling for the newer magazine die. To trace the sample magazines we have accumulated, some of the early 340 magazines had no markings at all, then apparently soon after, they were marked PAT. APPL. FOR on the rear end panel. The next magazine this panel was marked PAT. NO 2,630,175. In looking this number up in the Patent Office it was applied for 12-24-1949, which coincides with the implementation of the model 340 in early 1950. For more patent information CLICK HERE.
These dies are extensive, heavy (300#
plus) large multi station dies used in a 35 ton press,
plus additional smaller partial and final form then rivet dies. This undertaking
was an engineering, tool and die makers nightmare at that time (I know, as I bought them
Savage in about 1990 and have done extensive repairs to them, selling many
thousands of finished magazines, before retiring and selling the business to my son in 2003).
In the photos below showing the model 58 shotgun style magazine, it was not made as a laid out box and folded, but a 2 sided folded over bottom 1/2 way with the ends riveted in as seem in the LH photo below. This magazine was a modified model 58 410, to function with the 30-30 ammo by lengthening it about .160", which you will notice in the RH photo below, the top being the 2 1/2" 410 magazine and the bottom one in the photo being the early 325 magazine. These also have what are many think as cartridge viewing holes in the sides of the boxes. Well maybe, but in all probability, more likely holes to hold the sides together in a riveting fixture.
You will notice that the feed lips, notches in front of the lips, front and rear panels and the side embossing are all exactly the same, just the front was lengthened. This would have been comparatively easy since they already had the blanking and embossing dies, by just modifying the blanking and front riveting die.
|Here the 325 rifle with the original early magazine||
Top magazine is the 2 1/2" 410,
while the bottom is the early 30-30
Here In the photo below we see a transition of the model 325 and 340 30-30 magazines. Notice the two LH magazine bottoms are folded over with a slight gap between. All the rest are made from a one piece "laid out box" and folded .
|Here we see starting on the left, the model 58 410 magazine, the 325, the 340 PAT APPL FOR, the 340 Patent #, and the final 340 30-30 magazines on the right.|
It seems the magazines used in the 340s the box itself stayed pretty constant while the embossing and stamped on information went through many changes. It was stamped out sheet steel as in a opened box then folded/riveted together. The material thickness decreased on the later ones, to .032", and the rim retainer dimple groove was different than later magazines as seen below. The naked box with no writing at all and no finger grooves. The follower could have been blued and the rear angle to allow the rim to lay flat was shallower and longer forward than the later ones. In the magazine with the patent numbers on the rear panel, it also has the caliber (30-30 CAL-A) stamped on the bottom.
In the photo below, the forward dimple is deeper at the top, creating sort of a ramp forcing the 30-30 cartridge shoulder up for better feeding. Also notice the deep nitch at the front edge of the feed lips, which is there only for the "E" series, flat floor plate, auto eject magazine, ejection spring ears to hook into.
|Here the original 325/340 naked stamped out magazine||Here the latest version 340 magazine with the liability embossing|
Most people generally think the magazines function interchangeably with both the 325 Stevens and the 340 Savage for the same calibers. This may not be the case as explained above where the 340 magazines may need modifications to match the upper stops of the 325 magazine as explained above. Or, to rectify this CLICK HERE for the gunsmithing article addressing this issue. Early model 325 and 340 30-30 caliber magazines had no markings at all on them as seen in the above photo. Then came Patent applied for, after that they had a patent number on the rear endplate along with 30-30 Caliber stamped on the bottom. Somewhere in the production the word FRONT was stamped on the RH side. Then the caliber markings were placed on the front RH side. Lastly the markings were moved to the RH rear containing a liability warning.
The magazines shown below lists both the 30-30 and the 225 calibers.
It is not known when the liability marking was placed on them, but obviously the
225 markings were placed in the stamping dies after that caliber was introduced
by Winchester, probably somewhere near 1964 or 65, so the thinking would be both
were done at the same time because the stamping die is all in one for this.
Note on the center photo below the narrow deep notch on top about 3/4" from the rear. This is the deepened notch referred to previously that the "E" series utilized for it's magazine ejector spring to fit in to. On the older magazines the notch is there but not quite as deep as all the later magazines. All current magazines are made with this deeper notch to accommodate all models.
|Savage 340, 30-30 bottom view||Savage 340, 30-30/ 225 Win side view||Savage 340, 30-30 top/follower view|
The 222 and 223 magazines have a capacity of 5 rounds which use a detented shoulder groove. This groove is placed differently for each caliber. We once tried to make a combo where both calibers were stamped on a 223 case, but feeding for the 222 was erratic. The original factory magazines used a flat follower that again caused somewhat erratic feeding problems. Then we happened to contact an ex factory assistant service manager who informed us that he made a slight bend in the forward part of the follower on guns that came back for warranty. We have now made a special forming fixture to do just that as seen below.
You may encounter different stamping of calibers
along with patent dates on these 222 and 223 magazines. After Wisner's purchased the factory dies to make these in our own shop, we found that setup was
critical in the stamping as the 2 calibers shared a master die, but with
different inserts used to change the shoulder dimple. This then
also required shimming of the insets to emboss the caliber stamping. In
doing this it was trial and error with the 12" X 26", 300 pound die needed to be removed, disassembled,
and stamp shimmed for each trial. We soon had a new stamp made that
placed this caliber on the bottom. So if you see a 222 or 223
magazine with those calibers on the bottom, it came off our dies. I
even for a single batch run stamped both 222 and 223 on a 223 box, but I
found the lower rounds of the 222 slid forward at firing of the upper
rounds, creating feeding problems for the 3rd and 4th round.
We also encountered feeding problems with both these two
calibers, and after talking with a old factory service manager, we
redesigned the follower so the front portion was raised somewhat supporting
the bullet better on the infeed into the chamber as seen in the RH photos
below. This initially ranged from simply hand bending it, then
on to intensive experimentation as to the height and position of this front
shelf for proper feeding of both the 222 and the 223, then building a
special forming die. Finally .075' was found to be the best height.
|Savage 340, 223 bottom view||Savage 340, 223 side view||Savage 340, 223 top/follower view|
Notice the different location of the shoulder dimple between the 222 and the 223. The 222 shoulder dimple is farther to the rear.
|Savage 340, 222 bottom view||Savage 340, 222 side view||Savage 340, 222 top/follower view|
About 2012 Wisners Inc added a capitol "S" to the bottom of the 30-30, 222 and 223 magazines indicating Savage.
This 22 Hornet magazine was first used in the Savage model 23D. Then when the 322/342s came along Savage simply utilized that existing magazine on this model also. So you may see some early magazines marked Savage 23D and the caliber. Later magazines used on the 342 ultimately had the 23D markings dropped off the bottom and just had the 22 Hornet caliber imprint as seem below.
|Savage 340, 22 Hornet bottom view||Savage 340, 22 Hornet side view||Savage 340, 22 Hornet top/follower view|
Now for those of you who may have taken your trigger assembly apart OR are assembling a gun from parts, shown below is a photo of the trigger group from the rear showing the relationship of the trigger and sear springs. All of the pins are riveted over on the outside of the trigger housing, creating an issue if you disassemble it. Each of these springs are retained by a pin in the center loop with the short lower tail resting on the respective part, but with the longer tail bearing on the above part or against the steel housing/receiver if the sear spring.
|Here is a photo of the trigger group rear, showing the relationship of the trigger & sear springs|
One last comment, IF YOU HAVE THOUGHTS OF CHANGING
CALIBERS, STAY WITHIN THE DESIGN CONFIGURATIONS, by this I mean don't try to
make a 30-30 into a 223. It has been done, I am sure, BUT in recent years,
spare parts have diminished considerably, and the only parts supplier (Gun Parts
Corp) is the only source being that they purchased all the remaining factory inventory after
these guns became obsolete, which much has now been depleted. The 30-30
could be easily converted by rebarreling to 25-35 or 7X30 Waters, 32 Win Special, the 222 to 223
would be a simple rechamber job, or
rebarrel to 6mm-223, 7mm TCU, anything that would function through existing magazines.
I am sorry if I have you now confused with so much information, and there is a lot more research yet to come, that may translate into more info/changes.
If you have one of these guns that I have not identified AND can give me pertinent info with photos substantiating it I would like to hear from you.`
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